Agenda and minutes

Venue: Floor 1, Number One Riverside, Smith Street, Rochdale, OL16 1XU

Contact: Katie Davies, Committee Services Officer  Email: Katie.Davies@Rochdale.Gov.UK

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To receive any apologies for absence.


Apologies for absence were received from Councillor Eddie Moores (Oldham MBC) and Councillor Angela Smith (Rochdale MBC).


Declarations of Interest

Members are required to declare any disclosable pecuniary, personal or prejudicial interests they may have and the nature of those interests relating to items on this agenda and/or indicate if S106 of the Local Government Finance Act 1992 applies to them.


Councillor Sharif (Tameside MBC) declared an interest as she was employed by Pennine Care NHS Foundation Trust.


Minutes pdf icon PDF 93 KB

To consider the Minutes of the Joint Scrutiny Panel for Pennine Care (Mental Health) Trust meeting held on 16 January 2024.


That the Minutes of the Joint Scrutiny Panel for Pennine Care (Mental Health) Trust meeting held on 16 January 2024 be approved as a correct record.


Pennine Care NHS Foundation Trust Presentation pdf icon PDF 1 MB

To consider a presentation of the Chief Executive Officer, Pennine Care NHS Foundation Trust.

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The Chair welcomed attendees to the meeting and invited the Chief Executive of Pennine Care NHS Foundation Trust, Anthony Hassall, to begin the presentation.


2024/25 Planning Update


It was reported by the Chief Executive that national planning guidance had not yet been published, however that work on developing system level plans continued to progress at Pennine Care NHS Foundation Trust and Greater Manchester Integrated Care Board (ICB).


The workforce plan assumed a level of growth of between 200 - 300 full time roles across the 2024-2025 year with the main area of growth within community teams and admission prevention. It was noted that it remained difficult to recruit to all NHS roles; there were approximately 480 vacancies across the organisation and the Trust relied on a large number of temporary workforce.


The Chief Executive reported that the workforce plan would not deliver the requirement to contain agency spend within the reduced ceiling of 3.2% of total pay and that this would be an area of focus for the Trust.


In relation to activity and performance, the trajectories for mental health had been updated and the areas of focus remained the same. This included Out of area placements (OAPs), Talking Therapies, Adults and Older People Community Access, Children and Young People Access and Perinatal Access. Members were informed that the Talking Therapies service which aimed to support residents with low level issues such as depression and anxiety was now established in each of the Greater Manchester boroughs.


Planning assumptions for Greater Manchester for 2024/25 included:


  • Meeting operational and financial targets;
  • Reconciliation of finance, workforce, performance and activity;
  • Levels of Covid were expected to remain static;
  • The assumption that there would be no further industrial action;
  • The expectation to ask for a minimum of 5% of turnover as Cost Improvement Programme (CIP), 75% to be recurrent;
  • That agency spend be expected to equate to no more than 3.2% of the pay bill.


Plans would be presented to the Board of the Trust in April before a final Trust Business Plan would be approved in May 2024.


Concerns were raised by Members in relation to the request that the NHS saved 5% of budget in 2024/25. The Chief Executive informed that this would equate to a total saving of £15million for Pennine Care NHS Foundation Trust and would be a challenge due to 80% of costs currently spent on workforce.


Members also raised concerns in relation to OAPs. The Chief Executive informed that approximately 500 beds were available in Greater Manchester for Pennine Care NHS Foundation Trust patients, but that OAPs could currently be as far away as Essex. The Trust did not currently have a female Psychiatric Intensive Care Unit (PICU) and therefore treatment and beds for females was currently offered outside of Greater Manchester. However, a female-only unit was due to open in Stockport in May 2024.


Members also highlighted that awareness sessions in partnership with Voluntary, Community, Faith and Social Enterprise (VCFSE) organisations within communities would be beneficial for young  ...  view the full minutes text for item 24.


Any Other Business


The Chair noted that this would be the last meeting of the Committee for the 2023/24 Municipal Year, thanked Members for their contribution and wished those Members seeking re-election well in the forthcoming Local Elections.


The Chair recommended proposals for the Joint Scrutiny Panel for Pennine Care (Mental Health) Trust programme for 2024/25. Topics that were agreed by Members for discussion at future meetings included:


·         Update on budget;

·         Volunteering;

·         Violence and aggression;

·         Update on Clinical Quality Challenges;

·         Update on Children and Adolescent Mental Health Services (CAMHS) / Mental Health in schools;

·         Estates strategy.


1.    That the proposed topics for the 2024/25 programme be noted;

2.    That the Chair be requested to arrange an informal meeting with Members of Joint Scrutiny Panel for Pennine Care (Mental Health) Trust following Elections in May 2024 to discuss the proposed CAMHS conference.